gOD, ( You all knew I was going to do it)

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Prove your god is real.
Good luck... (you're going to need it)

Cjanz wrote:

kissthezombie wrote:Well you said you read the bible but,
did it do you any good, if you did it
with a careless mind. Ex: If i go
to church because I "have to"
what good does it do? None at all.
Rather than going to church because I want to.
And the only reason people obsess about the bible,
is because, people ask for proof, well there it is.
Right there. Then people ask that God present himself.
Well just think about how FAKE this world would be if
we HAD to SEE God and then after believe. That doesn't sound very faithful
to me. That's why religion isn't really about beliefs (in my human opinion)
It's more about having faith, and believing it without the
necessity of having to see God. And that's what makes
you a good catholic, christian, lutheran, methodist,
baptist, etc. You can know all the bible stories
in the bible. You can even memorise scripture.
But if you don't have faith, it counts for NOTHING.
And heaven is real. And unfortunately so is hell.
And if you don't care for any of them. Than I hope
you have some other theory to the after life because
being put in a dark hole in a coffin sounds really
horrible. And heaven isn't a "reward". God doesn't
give you a snack after you've been a"good boy"
Heaven is where you live for eternity. If you choose
to follow Christ. You could say "Ah, who is he, he hasn't done
anything for me." Nope! Wrong again. He got whipped
beaten, spit at , humilated, basckstabbed, and nail to a cross
all for you, me and everyone else. I don't know about you
but anybody who does that for me, deserves my
friendship, love, respect, and most importantly, my
faith. And to say it's all fiction, seems like just
about the most horriblist thing to say. And there is absolutely
no way I would ever compare the bible with twilight, though I am a huge
fan. Unlike the bible twilight is truly fiction. The bible, not so much.
As for me knowing more about atheist. Well my teacher was actually
atheist. But he was very cool. And he admitted that Jesus was a
great man, he also went to church, he listened to what I had
to say, and I listened to his theories. In the end, he was a very
awesome guy. But you ask me to try out and
ge to know where you are coming from. But how about
you try my beliefs. You have nothing to lose.
But I do. I know that by giving in to something else
won't do me any good. Trust me, I tried
living life without God.And let me just say I was lost.
nothing made sense and I was stuck and lonely.

Do you think that most atheists haven't attended church, read the bible, or TRIED being Christian? Some people just don't see things the same way. Imposing opinions and making opposing beliefs/perspectives clash is always going to create dispute. The problem I find with most Christians is that they're constantly demanding non-believers to see it their way, but just like you see no logic in atheism, they see no logic in christianity. I think you're right when you say that Christianity and faith are things that have to be genuine and devout, but the same goes for truly having no faith. You can make that sound as derogatory as you want with mention of hell as the ultimate consequence for denying this benevolent God. What it boils down to is looking at things through the eyes of those who share different beliefs, understanding their direction, and being accepting of that.

No, I know many athiest have tried to go to, church, read the
bible, be christian, yeah, i get that. My point was that,
my teacher was very respectful.I don't know in what way
that might have been insulting. Anyway's I have met a couple
athiest and they have all seemed to have the same similiarity.
They have all been christian or catholic before, religious parents/
family, ask for me to think oustide of my faith,
and a very rough childhood. My teacher once
slightly admitted his questioning of God was because
of his childhood. Once again I'm not saying all athiest
have done this so don't get all heated up.
....My teacher also asked that I think "outside the box".
I told him, like I had said before that I lived a life
like that for a while. I was mad and upset and I didn't
want God, to me he was useless; a bother. And then I
stopped "hating" him and kind of ignored him. I didn't
talk bad about him but I didn't even talk about him at all.
I kind of pretended he was never there at all.
And when people would say that I was going to need
him one day, I would laugh in front of their face.
God wasn't what I was looking for at the time.
I wanted to prove to the whole world that he was
fake, that he was never even real. So, I started
telling people about science and how it's the
real reason for all the things in the world.
At the same time this was happening I was going
through a rough time with my mom. She wasn't
my favorite person in the world. Lets keep it at that.
I couldn't stand her. She made my whole body shake with anger
EVERYDAY. And one day just when I think she had done it all,
I began to pray. I was ashamed. I felt like I had given in.
Then I began to sob, like crazy. I didn't know exactly
how to pray because I had never done it. I found
it foolish and useless. But this time it was different
And I asked for his forgiveness. I asked that
he forgive me for all I had done to him. I asked
that he would forgive me for turning away.
Then I asked if he could help me and my mom out.
I aksed that he please give me patience so
that I wouldn't do anything stupid. I prayed that
things get better. It was only IDK a couple minutes
later my mom comes and begans to apoligize.
I was shocked. My mom never says sorry to me.
I didn't know what to say. And I let her do most of the talking.
In the end we made up for all the years we never had.
We are still a little shaky but we are really close now.
I thank God for that everyday. I thank God for
answering my prayers in that very moment.
I thank God for not letting me make the biggest mistake
of my life. Because that day would have been my last day.
I am very thankful for what he has done for me, I honestly
owe him my life. And I don't know why he answered my
prayer. I was someone who didn't even like him.
I hated him, yet he still answered my prayer.
That's what amazes me. The fact that he forgives in no less
than a second. And if it's what is right he can even answer
a prayer right away. I wasn't planning on sharing my ugly
past. But I am really tired of people thinking I don't
know what it is like. I'm am really tired of people thinking
that I was born catholic. I was born into a catholic family.
but I wasn't born a catholic. I have unfortunetly denied
God. But I am now on his side, not on the opposite as I had been
before. I remember what it was like needing help and not
being able to ask God, because I didn't believe in him.
It was a dark world sometimes and I hated alot of things. In the end
I have seen life in the eyes of an athiest. And I know
exactly what it was like.

Spishnittlestick,


Well I am glad you tried a religion out.
I am not sure how but I will take
your word for it. And I do have something
to lose because I don't need to try anything else
out. There was a time where I didn't believe
in God like I said before. And that honestly
didn't work at all. I just didn't find things reasonable.
The video is very nice but what does that prove?
It's a remarkable story but honestly this
kind of made me even more sure of my faith.
And all those other "suposed" Jesus', were those stories
man made? Is there proof that they existed. Because
there is proof Jesus existed.
Or does it just prove that God must have had this
planned millions and billions of years ago.
Well whatever the reason I think God
knows what the truth is and that's what I
agree with.

Dear kissthezombie,
Have you ever sat through an unbearably long sermon? Regardless of content or message, people in the congregation tend to lose interest after about the first 10 minutes... 20 for the severely devout. Please stop writing so much propaganda at once. Little bits will do. Your point will also be much more readily received and processed.

Sincerely,
DilliDali

P.S.

Why must you push enter so often? It forms lumpy columns of words.

DilliDali wrote:Dear kissthezombie,
Have you ever sat through an unbearably long sermon? Regardless of content or message, people in the congregation tend to lose interest after about the first 10 minutes... 20 for the severely devout. Please stop writing so much propaganda at once. Little bits will do. Your point will also be much more readily received and processed.

Sincerely,
DilliDali

P.S.

Why must you push enter so often? It forms lumpy columns of words.

If what I write bothers you, don't read
it. If how type bothers you, ignore it.
I'm not here to please everyone. Especially,
if it's someone I don't know.

P.S. I type how I want, as do you.
But I don't complain about your style.

What's your favorite bible verse kissthezombie?

The one thast most inspires me
is Philippians 4:13

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."

It seems like a lot people I know go from being a Christian in their early years, to Atheist in their mid-late teen years, then eventually back to Christianity, or some other religion, when they're adult. Doesn't exactly happen to everyone but I do see a trend happening.

As for me, I'm Atheist. BUT! I'm not here to pick on anybody else's religion. I have a strong set of morals. Do unto others as you want done unto you. The Golden Rule. The only problem I have with being Atheist is people like to lecture me on why I shouldn't be Atheist and automatically judge me as a bad person because of it. I'm an Atheist by choice and I shouldn't need to be lectured by anybody else on why I should be this or that religion. I just believe if you do good in this life, you'll be fine in the next one.

Which leaves me with a quote from a great man, George Carlin, "keep thy invisible man to thyself."

That's my two cents.

Paradigm wrote:It seems like a lot people I know go from being a Christian in their early years, to Atheist in their mid-late teen years, then eventually back to Christianity, or some other religion, when they're adult. Doesn't exactly happen to everyone but I do see a trend happening.

As for me, I'm Atheist. BUT! I'm not here to pick on anybody else's religion. I have a strong set of morals. Do unto others as you want done unto you. The Golden Rule. The only problem I have with being Atheist is people like to lecture me on why I shouldn't be Atheist and automatically judge me as a bad person because of it. I'm an Atheist by choice and I shouldn't need to be lectured by anybody else on why I should be this or that religion. I just believe if you do good in this life, you'll be fine in the next one.

Which leaves me with a quote from a great man, George Carlin, "keep thy invisible man to thyself."

That's my two cents.

That happened to my dad too! He said he didn't believe
In God growing up but after he got married and had
kids he went back to being catholic!

I really respect athiest who respect other religions.
It's true that if you live a good moral life for
the most part, you will do good.
Because sometimes we have reasons
for the questioning of God. I don't
lecture athiest and I don't think
they are bad people. I like to ask questions
and know about there theories and
philosophies on life. But when they begin
to get rude and disrespectful, that's
when my patience is questioned : (
But I respect your opinion and
hope other athiest can see you as an
example.

kissthezombie wrote:

Paradigm wrote:It seems like a lot people I know go from being a Christian in their early years, to Atheist in their mid-late teen years, then eventually back to Christianity, or some other religion, when they're adult. Doesn't exactly happen to everyone but I do see a trend happening.

As for me, I'm Atheist. BUT! I'm not here to pick on anybody else's religion. I have a strong set of morals. Do unto others as you want done unto you. The Golden Rule. The only problem I have with being Atheist is people like to lecture me on why I shouldn't be Atheist and automatically judge me as a bad person because of it. I'm an Atheist by choice and I shouldn't need to be lectured by anybody else on why I should be this or that religion. I just believe if you do good in this life, you'll be fine in the next one.

Which leaves me with a quote from a great man, George Carlin, "keep thy invisible man to thyself."

That's my two cents.

That happened to my dad too! He said he didn't believe
In God growing up but after he got married and had
kids he went back to being catholic!

I really respect athiest who respect other religions.
It's true that if you live a good moral life for
the most part, you will do good.
Because sometimes we have reasons
for the questioning of God. I don't
lecture athiest and I don't think
they are bad people. I like to ask questions
and know about there theories and
philosophies on life. But when they begin
to get rude and disrespectful, that's
when my patience is questioned : (
But I respect your opinion and
hope other athiest can see you as an
example.

Thank you for that.

I respect people no matter what religion they believe in, but it just annoys me when two different religions collide and a huge fight breaks out in between them. But, I guess that's been going on for centuries now. I just kinda sit back and get along with everybody, lol.

Paradigm wrote:

kissthezombie wrote:

Paradigm wrote:It seems like a lot people I know go from being a Christian in their early years, to Atheist in their mid-late teen years, then eventually back to Christianity, or some other religion, when they're adult. Doesn't exactly happen to everyone but I do see a trend happening.

As for me, I'm Atheist. BUT! I'm not here to pick on anybody else's religion. I have a strong set of morals. Do unto others as you want done unto you. The Golden Rule. The only problem I have with being Atheist is people like to lecture me on why I shouldn't be Atheist and automatically judge me as a bad person because of it. I'm an Atheist by choice and I shouldn't need to be lectured by anybody else on why I should be this or that religion. I just believe if you do good in this life, you'll be fine in the next one.

Which leaves me with a quote from a great man, George Carlin, "keep thy invisible man to thyself."

That's my two cents.

That happened to my dad too! He said he didn't believe
In God growing up but after he got married and had
kids he went back to being catholic!

I really respect athiest who respect other religions.
It's true that if you live a good moral life for
the most part, you will do good.
Because sometimes we have reasons
for the questioning of God. I don't
lecture athiest and I don't think
they are bad people. I like to ask questions
and know about there theories and
philosophies on life. But when they begin
to get rude and disrespectful, that's
when my patience is questioned : (
But I respect your opinion and
hope other athiest can see you as an
example.

Thank you for that.

I respect people no matter what religion they believe in, but it just annoys me when two different religions collide and a huge fight breaks out in between them. But, I guess that's been going on for centuries now. I just kinda sit back and get along with everybody, lol.

Yeah I actually find it hypocritical when religions
argue and even make big fights. I mean, yes, we
are human but is that always gonna be our excuse?
I think not. When religions fight as in using violence
and persecute rather than just disagreeing with others
choices, I think that's being a hypocrite. Because loving
and having faith in God isn't any of that. I hate it when
I see religions being violent and calling people
of the gay community very explicit things. I mean,
I'm not personally all thumbs up for it but that NEVER
gives me the right to call them names, hurt them, or
do anything that would cause them harm. It's just not
right and it makes the rest of us look just as bad!

kissthezombie wrote:

Paradigm wrote:

kissthezombie wrote:

Paradigm wrote:It seems like a lot people I know go from being a Christian in their early years, to Atheist in their mid-late teen years, then eventually back to Christianity, or some other religion, when they're adult. Doesn't exactly happen to everyone but I do see a trend happening.

As for me, I'm Atheist. BUT! I'm not here to pick on anybody else's religion. I have a strong set of morals. Do unto others as you want done unto you. The Golden Rule. The only problem I have with being Atheist is people like to lecture me on why I shouldn't be Atheist and automatically judge me as a bad person because of it. I'm an Atheist by choice and I shouldn't need to be lectured by anybody else on why I should be this or that religion. I just believe if you do good in this life, you'll be fine in the next one.

Which leaves me with a quote from a great man, George Carlin, "keep thy invisible man to thyself."

That's my two cents.

That happened to my dad too! He said he didn't believe
In God growing up but after he got married and had
kids he went back to being catholic!

I really respect athiest who respect other religions.
It's true that if you live a good moral life for
the most part, you will do good.
Because sometimes we have reasons
for the questioning of God. I don't
lecture athiest and I don't think
they are bad people. I like to ask questions
and know about there theories and
philosophies on life. But when they begin
to get rude and disrespectful, that's
when my patience is questioned : (
But I respect your opinion and
hope other athiest can see you as an
example.

Thank you for that.

I respect people no matter what religion they believe in, but it just annoys me when two different religions collide and a huge fight breaks out in between them. But, I guess that's been going on for centuries now. I just kinda sit back and get along with everybody, lol.

Yeah I actually find it hypocritical when religions
argue and even make big fights. I mean, yes, we
are human but is that always gonna be our excuse?
I think not. When religions fight as in using violence
and persecute rather than just disagreeing with others
choices, I think that's being a hypocrite. Because loving
and having faith in God isn't any of that. I hate it when
I see religions being violent and calling people
of the gay community very explicit things. I mean,
I'm not personally all thumbs up for it but that NEVER
gives me the right to call them names, hurt them, or
do anything that would cause them harm. It's just not
right and it makes the rest of us look just as bad!

I totally understand. I wish we all could co-exist with each other. I mean, we all have our differences in everything so why should we fight each other about it? Its childish. I don't think it'll change anytime soon. People have their head too far up their asses.

Hey can we not quote every post lol it makes it hard to read everything.

I really gotta be more frequent in my visits, reading all that does not look appealing.

I LOVE GOD.

I think God has a different meaning for everyone. To most it means some big invisible man in the sky who watches over your every move. To me this is an attempt at controlling the population into mass conformity and infringing upon free thought. Also the notion exercises as a way to keep society moral and at peace. This BACKFIRES. People were not meant to be branded into one prototype, many who are adhesive enough to maintain such a conservative stance their entire lives will ultimately lead a fearful and unfullfilling life. Now I do not speak for all people who believe in God, just the ones who do not believe God accepts every fault and crevice in a persons' heart.

Too often do I see religious people coerce irreligious ones by such extreme force it negates the entire purpose of religion in the first place. This has always astounded me, the hypocrisy of this sort of mentality.

People are so in need of a reason to be, a reason to live. Everything is a journey - an unconstructed journey. I believe in higher forces. I do not believe in one entirely omnipotent being.

Everyone needs to just leave religion behind closed doors of your home or place of worship, and leave everyone else out of it.

nah. I obviously think differently. Religion
should be taken everywhere. Its a part you. (or maybe not YOU specifically)
I think stereotypes get created when we judge religious people
and non- religious people. God isn't a "man" nor a "being".
He is more than that. He is indeed omnipotent though.
No human can really be exactly 100% percent without a
doubt right about him. Only those who are with him or have
ever really met God. But we can base our facts on what he gave us.
The Bible. Which is a good way to get answers about God and be
somewhat sure(if read correctly). As for higher forces, what can be higher
than God? What can be higher than the creater himself? Certainly not one
of his creations. Anywho, we all have our thoughts and opinions and every
one of them should be respected.

I'm thinking straight-up posicore, Set Your Goals.

It's not for you to say what every heart should pay,
Another body and soul that isn't your own.
Get off my back, this was never salvation for me,
So keep it away.

I don't feel a thing; can't make believe I do.
It's something I don't need, it's something that you do
And I respect you. Turning the page,
Turning the page in an old book misread.

Twenty something rows back now offer up your souls at
The drop of a single white robe.
All things foretold, but do you really know what,
Mans worst creation has got you in its hold.

I refuse to pay (I refuse),
I refuse to stand for organized crime.
Organized crime comes in more forms than one,
And your god is no exception.

Set Your Goals - An Old Book Misread.

God should be an individual interpretation, I can find more divinity in nature than I can in any church. The splendors of nature are too beautiful for me to ask for more.

And life forever would get hella boring a few centuries after its start.

Where did your creator come from? If everything was created by Him, and it's impossible for you to believe that this wasn't a random explosion, and that everything HAD to come from something ... what manifested to create God?

hmm, set your goals. very nice band.
I have a non-legal CD of them with that
song. i like how it it talks about the honesty
of not believing, and it really brings out
acceptance to not believing. And it also has
a sick beat! Anywho, My God came from, well,
IDK. Quite frankly I don't think anybody knows.
Probably because he always has been, and always will
be. As for the theory of "the big bang" I can totally believe
that. I actually have a crazy and more than likely wrong
idea that it was more of a collaberation between two planets:
water and land. hahaha. I am probably years from being
right but i can still imagine. I think that if the world did
get formed by a random explosion, God's hand was behind it.
Nothing gets created on its own. Someone/Something makes
it. Oh! And as for living forever, yeah I don't think anyone
would get tired of living in a paradise made uniquely for you.
haha, any place but here is great! and im pretty sure time/days/
months/years aren't measured and felt how it is here on earth.
(sorry for the length, i kinda keep stuff to myself, so when
i let it out...well you get the point..)

I think the worship of wizards is kind of silly but eh, people will believe what they are told.

wizards?

Hey, it's possible, there are over 4,300 religions total.

I used to wanna be a witch when I grew up.
Until one day a big group of grown ups laughed at me.
I was very depressed.

woah! i just noticed the first sentence was horrible!
sorry about that!

Hmmm. Very interesting debate.


Although, I think god was real. I mean seriously, the logic is very simple to be honest...


Theirs church's & Bibles, priests, Sacred Ruins... And so on... So many things to proof that god is real. + There are more facts to proof that god is real. Than there is facts that proof god was not real.

My personal view would be that he did exist. And the bible clearly states this.. (Someone must or writ the bible).

Dragon wrote:Hmmm. Very interesting debate.


Although, I think god was real. I mean seriously, the logic is very simple to be honest...


Theirs church's & Bibles, priests, Sacred Ruins... And so on... So many things to proof that god is real. + There are more facts to proof that god is real. Than there is facts that proof god was not real.

My personal view would be that he did exist. And the bible clearly states this.. (Someone must or writ the bible).

Someone also wrote the book of Mormon. Some other people have written books on scientology. Let's not forget Satanical literature or other forms of various pagan literature.

Churches are places of worship, they don't prove God exists, as they were built in speculation. Don't forget that the predecessors to churches were temples where people had their still-beating heart ripped from their chest. Do those temples prove that the Aztec gods exist? I think not.

Before priests were witch doctors. Did they prove that there were spirits embedded in natural objects? No.

Sacred ruins, hah. Just because God isn't fake, that doesn't mean history is fake. We have the ruins from 9/11. We can fabricate a nice story for future generations saying that two hands of magma crept forth from the earth and pulled the centers down. Add enough pzaz and you've got something worthy of note in a new bible!

Don't tell me there's not proof for the atheistic arguments. The conditions on early earth have been simulated in a laboratory setting. The gasses present interacted with the water and electrical currents to form a brown layer of amino acids. A primeval soup of these amino acids later began replicating themselves.

Here's a brief overview. The universe came from the big bang. The formation of the earth was from coalescing gas and rock. Initially, the earth hosted inorganic compounds that provided the elements needed to form organic compounds (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen)

Look up "coacervates." They're the aggregates that formed from bonding molecules that showed the first signs of life (growth, reproduction, nutrition, respiration)

Stanley Miller and Harold were two scientists that replicated the "hot soup" theory.

Here's where we go from here:

The coacervates started as heterotrophs (they got their own food, as opposed to making it. There was no CO2 for synthesis.)

These coacervates were also anaerobes, which means they didn't use oxygen. They gave off CO2 which accumulated in the atmosphere.

After the CO2 accumulated, we could get some autotrophs, synthesizing their food from sunlight or heat coupled with CO2.

processes such as photosynthesis gave off O2, so now we have aerobes. From here, evolution really took off.

This is known as the "Heterotroph Hypothesis." You should look into it sometime.

There's nothing that proves God is real. Take a look at some of these things that I mentioned. There are heaps of proof for the counter-argument.

Just believe me when I say that while I'm anti-religion, I'm not anti spirituality. The organization of religion is one of the most destructive things in our society. There's no harm in appreciating the energy around us though, in whatever form it takes. I'm a bit of a naturalist, myself.

I don't believe in God but I still haven't seen a good arguement on where the matter came from in order for the Big Bang to have occured.