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Post by psychoslayer_510 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:39 pm

I despise every single one of these close-minded, narrow, pretentious and brain-washing conservitives spreading their disgusting rhetoric in the ears of millions of Americans. Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage and Sean Hannity being of my least favorites. I'm not saying this as a liberal extremist, I don't label myself as either. Their non-stop broadcasting of the "evils" of a liberal america make me sick. they'd just as soon shoot a liberal as have a civil conversation to discuss ideas and differing opinions.
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Re: Right Wing Shock Jocks polluting the ignorant mind!

Post by Katelin on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:53 pm

Really?

I guess I am disappointed. I was thinking in our other Health Care forum that for two people with differing opinions that you were doing a nice job of being relatively respectiful of a different perspective.

"I despise every single one of these close-minded, narrow, pretentious and brain-washing conservitives spreading their disgusting rhetoric in the ears of millions of Americans."

As far as close minded goes- this is the most parochial post I have read on this website.
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Post by Donald Williams on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:09 pm

Who needs O'reilly when you have Colbert?

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Post by psychoslayer_510 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:09 pm

ha, that was led towards those very few people. not Conservatives as a whole and their view. I can agree and discuss conservative views with anyone, it's people like Micheal Savage who cannot be reasoned with. there is no room for him to be wrong or even merely off course. they don't have opinions, they have forced facts. people who lie on national airwaves I should hope you wouldn't defend.
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Post by Katelin on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:15 pm

Somehow, 'I despise every single one of these close-minded, narrow, pretentious and brain-washing conservitives' sounds like it is a hit at every single conservative. I don't know why though.
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Post by Donald Williams on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:17 pm

I just have no idea how you did not mention Rush limbaugh, I cannot stand Michael alan weiner (Aka Savage) and Limbaugh, I agree they spin everything into a hate filled rate on why liberals are ruining the country without seeing any sense of reason.

I had to listen to Limbaugh once in the past few months. (It was during the captain of an american ship was taken hostage by Somali Pirates)

He screamed and preached about how Obama was going to give the pirates their ransom, and how then they would capture more americans and never be punished. He stated how Obama had no courage and would not make the right call when american lives were on the line. He then used it as a symbol to foreign policy and said how in four years are country would be the butt of terrorist demands. (Imagine this being said and painted in slightly different ways for two hours.)

The Next day, Three pirates were assassinated, The other arrested, and the captain was saved.

Good Call Oxycotin Rush.

HECK YEAH AMERICA! (That was such an awesome day.)

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Post by psychoslayer_510 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:20 pm

well see, now you're taking this out of context. using that part of the quote implies that all conservitives are as I've described. but I'm almost positive a very very small percentage of conservitives spread their rhetoric to millions of American's ears daily. correct? therefore within full context of what I wrote, I was directing every description of a conservative at this very very small percentage. the average conservative has helped shape our american culture. does that make you feel better?
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Post by Spishnittlestick on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:24 pm

LOL, Katelin certainly has a point. Careful with your wording, guys, don't be offensive.

I'm very liberal.

Katelin is very not.

But she's still a stellar person.

My cousin is very conservative, too. She's from TN.

We just don't talk about politics anymore xD

Fights with those you love are never fun, and I love you all, so be respectful towards one another.

And Psychoslayer, you should present points and wait for respectful results. Let's learn something here. At the very least, it's at least knowing your enemy for future debates Wink

I, for instance, am liberal for several reasons. First and foremost, I will not support legislation that tries to regulate social issues. That simply never works.

I'm not proud of the world in which we live, and for that matter, things need to be changed. I'm very open to new, fresh ideas, and I think our nation could use a bit of innovation and leftist thought to allow for a smoother transition into a world in which, sadly, America is ill-equipped (good thing we're manipulative when it comes to profit *rolls eyes*. It certainly doesn't look like our education is going anywhere.)

I'm calling for change because I don't like how things are right now, but from whomever (probably Katelin), I'd love to know the opposite viewpoint.

Thanks xD
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Post by Donald Williams on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:33 pm

Spishnittlestick wrote:LOL, Katelin certainly has a point. Careful with your wording, guys, don't be offensive.

I'm very liberal.

Katelin is very not.

But she's still a stellar person.

My cousin is very conservative, too. She's from TN.

We just don't talk about politics anymore xD

Fights with those you love are never fun, and I love you all, so be respectful towards one another.

And Psychoslayer, you should present points and wait for respectful results. Let's learn something here. At the very least, it's at least knowing your enemy for future debates Wink

I, for instance, am liberal for several reasons. First and foremost, I will not support legislation that tries to regulate social issues. That simply never works.

I'm not proud of the world in which we live, and for that matter, things need to be changed. I'm very open to new, fresh ideas, and I think our nation could use a bit of innovation and leftist thought to allow for a smoother transition into a world in which, sadly, America is ill-equipped (good thing we're manipulative when it comes to profit *rolls eyes*. It certainly doesn't look like our education is going anywhere.)

I'm calling for change because I don't like how things are right now, but from whomever (probably Katelin), I'd love to know the opposite viewpoint.

Thanks xD


I want to address that I also see Katelin's viewpoint and agree with the base of reasoning, and I feel I wasn't contradicting her. I wasn't putting all conservatives into a category and pointing at them each whilst shouting HEATHEN, but only addressing the two hosts that I have actually had experience listening to, and how they both can definitely shine light on the root of Psycho's argument.

Also, I agree spish, when I gaze upon the root of the world we live in today I feel deep sadness at what I see. I feel that instead of letting the health of our countries citizens be decided by dollars and cents, or allowing the CEO"s of companies to make a profit off of the money coming from the american people, And also at the sight of our nation becoming a country who cares about itself.

And If I offended anyone. I apologize deeply and will give rep to the offended. Wink Sad


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Post by psychoslayer_510 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:36 pm

my argument was exactly what you said Donald. I'm only pointing at those Shock Jocks. apparently the topic was mistook by Katelyn as an attack on all conservatives.
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Post by Katelin on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:44 pm

Psychoslayer, don't attempt to placate me. I'm not crying in the corner due to this forum and you won't 'make me feel better.' We have differing perspectives, but that is essential for any effective social infrastructure anyway- and for that reason, I will always try to respect your opinion. I don't feel like I have misunderstood your intent. On the record, I don't like O'Reilly either because I feel that he is a conservative propaganda pundit- that's not what I want republicanism to stand for.

Spish, thanks Smile

Next, I rsepect that you are liberal because you don't believe that the government should get involved in social issues -I don't either. Or economic issues. Or personal issues. Or issues involving my SSN, or family, or relationships, or anything. I think the government should be extremely minimal, it is the way the feds were supposed to be. That's why I feel like expanding USFG jurisdiction over industries like Health are will not turn out well. I, too, am not proud of the world that we live in and the depravity that seems to fester. In my opinion that is the fault of technology and media, not much to do with politics- except that conservative values are generally associated with traditional morals. Though that is a generalization that is clearly disproven by you, Tyler Smile . I also feel that if you are looking to innovation, that it can only be found in a thriving, balanced capitalistic economy, which is just one objective of the Republican party.
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Post by psychoslayer_510 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:54 pm

I was only retaliating on your rather condescending post on this topic towards me. ok, this whole topic was created for a post like what you just wrote about O'Reilly. it's to discuss feelings towards these shock jocks, nothing else. oh, and I'm sorry I spelled your name wrong!

I respect that you stand for something, whether I agree or not. I don't believe states' rights are the way of the future, and at the same time do not support federal interference where I can. which is why I find it more difficult debating with you, because you are purely "old school" republican propagating a contemporary movement, and I'm not the liberal to stand in your way. I argue that neither liberals nor conservatives have it completely right and I would like to see entire inside out reform of both parties, while still keeping them, because everyone knows our country would be nothing without the two-party system.
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Post by Katelin on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:59 pm

fo sure, homie.
Extremism in either direction will never get you the correct answer.
I respect that you can support what you stand for.
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Post by Spishnittlestick on Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:59 pm

Ben, first of all, I never even dreamed of labeling you as "offensive," so no need to worry xD

Katelin, I'm very anti-capitalist, as well. And I'd like for you to list some "conservative values" and "traditional morals." I'm not mocking you, I just want to make sure we'll be talking about the same things so we have a more solid debate here Smile

And I'm anti-capitalist because capitalism is driven by profit, meaning people, animals, and government all become expendable in the name of money. Choices are made not based on the effects of the environment or the people or creatures hurt in the process, but based on what will generate the highest monetary figures. People aren't hired to contribute to something bigger ... they're exploited in jobs they don't like, doing things humans aren't meant to do (What the hell is up with monotomy? As a human being, I demand something better, and you all should too.) Why do people work? For money. To buy things they don't need ... things that are designed to generate the profit, regardless of whatever negative effects it may have on the consumer.

An excellent video to watch is The Corporation. Or even The High Cost Of Low Prices.

I'm going to post one of my favorite clips of The Corporation, because it parallels with my interests in veganism.

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Post by Katelin on Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:10 am

Ahhh Smile the capitalism debate. I am open to it, but it might be tomorrow because I am sleepy (just cried to Gran Torino, have you seen it?)

In the meantime, Spish- I should know what class of economy you would prefer?
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Re: Right Wing Shock Jocks polluting the ignorant mind!

Post by Donald Williams on Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:13 am

Katelin wrote:Psychoslayer, don't attempt to placate me. I'm not crying in the corner due to this forum and you won't 'make me feel better.' We have differing perspectives, but that is essential for any effective social infrastructure anyway- and for that reason, I will always try to respect your opinion. I don't feel like I have misunderstood your intent. On the record, I don't like O'Reilly either because I feel that he is a conservative propaganda pundit- that's not what I want republicanism to stand for.

Spish, thanks Smile

Next, I rsepect that you are liberal because you don't believe that the government should get involved in social issues -I don't either. Or economic issues. Or personal issues. Or issues involving my SSN, or family, or relationships, or anything. I think the government should be extremely minimal, it is the way the feds were supposed to be. That's why I feel like expanding USFG jurisdiction over industries like Health are will not turn out well. I, too, am not proud of the world that we live in and the depravity that seems to fester. In my opinion that is the fault of technology and media, not much to do with politics- except that conservative values are generally associated with traditional morals. Though that is a generalization that is clearly disproven by you, Tyler Smile . I also feel that if you are looking to innovation, that it can only be found in a thriving, balanced capitalistic economy, which is just one objective of the Republican party.

I definitely share the stance that government intrusion should be as limited as can be on the social side of the spectrum, if there's any invasion of personal freedom then we may as well not call ourselves the United States of America.


Economically I agree for the most part, I feel that government control should be limited outside of regulation/verification. Even Ronald Reagan said "Trust, But Verify." If there is no regulation or verification. (See W's Administration) You get out of control spending and loans until a disaster eventually occurs (See our current economy) And I guess I'll take a short time to say that I think this is a huge problem within the stimulus package. Instead of letting those greedy companies burn and fall on there faces, and eventually letting our economy grow like the crops within a recently burnt field. The stimulus just gave billions to the exact people who caused this problem in the first place.

And how was that paid for again? Oh yeah, by the american people who got screwed over in the first place.

I believe that socialized medicine needs to be an option within this country. Having the health of our nation's people run as a greedy corporate business is having the exact same consequences as if a greedy government ran it. (Only the greed is spread far and wide.)

I feel that no company has the right to tell my family that we don't have the right to health insurance. Or if two broke parents have the right to have their child brain checked for a tumor just after the child is born.

The best way would be to create a system that wouldn't crowd out the private sector, letting competitiveness still exist, and yet the american people be covered at the same time.

And..I'm a liberal, and I think my morals are pretty respectable Smile

And spish, i love how you just pull out the best videos and they always seem to add the finishing touches your already beautifully painted canvass.


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Post by Spishnittlestick on Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:37 am

Katelin wrote:Ahhh Smile the capitalism debate. I am open to it, but it might be tomorrow because I am sleepy (just cried to Gran Torino, have you seen it?)

In the meantime, Spish- I should know what class of economy you would prefer?

We can put capitalism, or economic systems in the debate corner tomorrow.

And I'll keep that information to myself until then Wink
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Post by VioletVenom on Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:58 am

Far too hateful, TS.


I disagree as well and I think quite a few of them are ignorant but not all conservatives are socially conservative, many just agree with economic conservatism.


Yes I think those particular people you named are highly irrational and are spreading illegitimate bias. Just watch, with time this country will become more liberal.
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Katelin wrote:Psychoslayer, don't attempt to placate me. I'm not crying in the corner due to this forum and you won't 'make me feel better.' We have differing perspectives, but that is essential for any effective social infrastructure anyway- and for that reason, I will always try to respect your opinion. I don't feel like I have misunderstood your intent. On the record, I don't like O'Reilly either because I feel that he is a conservative propaganda pundit- that's not what I want republicanism to stand for.

Spish, thanks Smile

Next, I rsepect that you are liberal because you don't believe that the government should get involved in social issues -I don't either. Or economic issues. Or personal issues. Or issues involving my SSN, or family, or relationships, or anything. I think the government should be extremely minimal, it is the way the feds were supposed to be. That's why I feel like expanding USFG jurisdiction over industries like Health are will not turn out well. I, too, am not proud of the world that we live in and the depravity that seems to fester. In my opinion that is the fault of technology and media, not much to do with politics- except that conservative values are generally associated with traditional morals. Though that is a generalization that is clearly disproven by you, Tyler Smile . I also feel that if you are looking to innovation, that it can only be found in a thriving, balanced capitalistic economy, which is just one objective of the Republican party.

I definitely share the stance that government intrusion should be as limited as can be on the social side of the spectrum, if there's any invasion of personal freedom then we may as well not call ourselves the United States of America.


Economically I agree for the most part, I feel that government control should be limited outside of regulation/verification. Even Ronald Reagan said "Trust, But Verify." If there is no regulation or verification. (See W's Administration) You get out of control spending and loans until a disaster eventually occurs (See our current economy) And I guess I'll take a short time to say that I think this is a huge problem within the stimulus package. Instead of letting those greedy companies burn and fall on there faces, and eventually letting our economy grow like the crops within a recently burnt field. The stimulus just gave billions to the exact people who caused this problem in the first place.

And how was that paid for again? Oh yeah, by the american people who got screwed over in the first place.

I believe that socialized medicine needs to be an option within this country. Having the health of our nation's people run as a greedy corporate business is having the exact same consequences as if a greedy government ran it. (Only the greed is spread far and wide.)

I feel that no company has the right to tell my family that we don't have the right to health insurance. Or if two broke parents have the right to have their child brain checked for a tumor just after the child is born.

The best way would be to create a system that wouldn't crowd out the private sector, letting competitiveness still exist, and yet the american people be covered at the same time.

And..I'm a liberal, and I think my morals are pretty respectable Smile

And spish, i love how you just pull out the best videos and they always seem to add the finishing touches your already beautifully painted canvass.


See bolded part? We had to do that to protect the employees' job. If there was more regulation in the first place this collapse probably wouldn't have happened, though.
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Post by JakeTheSnake on Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:31 pm

I am disgusted at the way O'Riley and Limbaugh are pushed as the leaders of family values when Limbaugh is a well known pill popper and O'Riley was busted for sexual harassment.

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Post by DilliDali on Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:04 pm

Ugh. If you hate O'Reilly, try living with someone like him. The only news we watch is Fox. My dad worships O'Reilly, and loves to listen to Rush Limbaugh. However, the title of this is "Right Wing Shock Jocks polluting the ignorant mind"; my father is not an ignorant man. He has a Ph.D and is tenured at the local university. Moreover his ultra-conservatism, (which wouldn't bother me as much, if he wasn't forcing his views onto me), he is a covert racist.

The fact that my father is a bigot, (harsh words, I know, my therapist sat there listening with jaw dropped as I described him), bothers me, but the thing that troubles me most is not of his doing, (or at least successfully).

I knew this kid, let's call him "John". He was a fifth grader when the 2008 presidential campaigns were just getting started. John told me that Obama was a Muslim, and that he wasn't an American. I'm pretty sure there was something about terrorism in his spiel as well. When I asked him where he got his information, he said his parents. His parents had been feeding him prejudiced crap, which they most likely believed, and were setting him up for a lifetime of blind ignorance. People should never, ever, ever, EVER propagate political views to children. Humanity has forever taken advantage of the gullibility and naivete of children for their own political, or religious profit.

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Re: Right Wing Shock Jocks polluting the ignorant mind!

Post by Donald Williams on Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:24 pm

VioletVenom wrote:Far too hateful, TS.


I disagree as well and I think quite a few of them are ignorant but not all conservatives are socially conservative, many just agree with economic conservatism.


Yes I think those particular people you named are highly irrational and are spreading illegitimate bias. Just watch, with time this country will become more liberal.
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Katelin wrote:Psychoslayer, don't attempt to placate me. I'm not crying in the corner due to this forum and you won't 'make me feel better.' We have differing perspectives, but that is essential for any effective social infrastructure anyway- and for that reason, I will always try to respect your opinion. I don't feel like I have misunderstood your intent. On the record, I don't like O'Reilly either because I feel that he is a conservative propaganda pundit- that's not what I want republicanism to stand for.

Spish, thanks Smile

Next, I rsepect that you are liberal because you don't believe that the government should get involved in social issues -I don't either. Or economic issues. Or personal issues. Or issues involving my SSN, or family, or relationships, or anything. I think the government should be extremely minimal, it is the way the feds were supposed to be. That's why I feel like expanding USFG jurisdiction over industries like Health are will not turn out well. I, too, am not proud of the world that we live in and the depravity that seems to fester. In my opinion that is the fault of technology and media, not much to do with politics- except that conservative values are generally associated with traditional morals. Though that is a generalization that is clearly disproven by you, Tyler Smile . I also feel that if you are looking to innovation, that it can only be found in a thriving, balanced capitalistic economy, which is just one objective of the Republican party.

I definitely share the stance that government intrusion should be as limited as can be on the social side of the spectrum, if there's any invasion of personal freedom then we may as well not call ourselves the United States of America.


Economically I agree for the most part, I feel that government control should be limited outside of regulation/verification. Even Ronald Reagan said "Trust, But Verify." If there is no regulation or verification. (See W's Administration) You get out of control spending and loans until a disaster eventually occurs (See our current economy) And I guess I'll take a short time to say that I think this is a huge problem within the stimulus package. Instead of letting those greedy companies burn and fall on there faces, and eventually letting our economy grow like the crops within a recently burnt field. The stimulus just gave billions to the exact people who caused this problem in the first place.

And how was that paid for again? Oh yeah, by the american people who got screwed over in the first place.

I believe that socialized medicine needs to be an option within this country. Having the health of our nation's people run as a greedy corporate business is having the exact same consequences as if a greedy government ran it. (Only the greed is spread far and wide.)

I feel that no company has the right to tell my family that we don't have the right to health insurance. Or if two broke parents have the right to have their child brain checked for a tumor just after the child is born.

The best way would be to create a system that wouldn't crowd out the private sector, letting competitiveness still exist, and yet the american people be covered at the same time.

And..I'm a liberal, and I think my morals are pretty respectable Smile

And spish, i love how you just pull out the best videos and they always seem to add the finishing touches your already beautifully painted canvass.


See bolded part? We had to do that to protect the employees' job. If there was more regulation in the first place this collapse probably wouldn't have happened, though.


Yeah, if regulation never ended the problem would have never occurred. Buuttt, what was completely ignored is that we did not have to do anything. After the Great depression, if banks go insolvent, their profits and the employees jobs are turned over to an oversight commitee to appoint a new CEO, and leadership for the bank. Once chosen, the bank would start up again and many of the employees jobs would have remained safe.

Would all of them have remained safe? That's hard to tell, but as unemployment is sky-rocketing towards 10% now its safe to say that the stimulus hasn't exactly spurred the creation/salvation? of jobs.

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People work to survive, not just buy things we don't need. I have more problems with "the american dream"...this false heroic mentality that doesn't just apply to America anymore. When The American Dream was conceived we were perhaps the only country that was incredibly stable, stable enough to become an entrepenuer from scratch and build your way to the top. It's a false ideal. Most people do not amount to anything more than an office job or a blue collar job. We are not the only country you can start a successful business in either.


Hypocrites like Bill O Reilly should have no say whatsoever in what family morals should be. Conservative "family-friendly" morals do not do anything except incite xenophobia and homophobia.




Anywho, I'm not an expert on economics BUT I do think capitalism can be successful if executed correctly - something we did NOT do. We are successful but many people suffer without health coverage and too many corporations are focused on making a buck rather than protecting citizens.

From what I can infer, I think mixed economics between socialism and capitalism is probably the most secure form of running an economy. But again, it truly depends on whoever is elected into power. Tax funded healthcare, (for example), but privitisation of business. There still needs to be an incentive to work. There are still questions though - what if someone is unemployed and cannot contribute income tax? If I am correct in countries where universal healthcare is present you have to give evidence to the government that you are consciously trying to look for a job to still have benefits of going to the doctors for free. I COULD be wrong about this but I read it on a forum once from a guy who lived in Belgium.


Even though my morals are totally subjective, I think everybody should pay an equal percentage of taxes so nobody gets too rich. This "cutting taxes for the rich" scheme is more than idiotic - the goal is to lessen tax burden upon business owners and to allow more freedom with ones' money. Problem is with the very rich most of that money is pocketed/not spent and not all rich people are business owners. Thus, leading to it not getting circulated back into the economy unlike if you give it to people who really NEED the money they will spend it.


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