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Post by fuzzy Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:26 pm

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Ok.. I agree late term abortion is screwed up. But earlier abortion should not be tampered with. I feel that making laws controlling when a woman has a child is extremely sexist, since most of the lawmakers are men. And... it seems like men are trying to oppress women.

Furthermore, if the Pro-lifers would widen their field of view to look at the whooole picture. You would see that abortion is good.
Fact: Most women who have an abortion are NOT teenagers, they are middleaged and cannot support another child.
Fact: 20 years after abortion was legalized, this country experienced a sharp decrease in crime, especially the violent ones. Mainly because the aborted babies, would not have received enough loving attention, care, ect to grow into a respectable member of our society. Not that it is their fault that this would have happened, but by aborting it. The mother saved the potential child from years of suffering, possibly prison, possibly gang activity. ect.

Yes adoption is great, but please don't go on PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION tangents, because unlike Juno you cannot find a couple ready to take on in, inside "The Penny-Saver" (Thanks to my GF for making me watch that movie... too many times.)
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Post by fuzzy Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:26 am

somedeadidiot wrote:Oh, thank goodness....I was about to disown you as my god.

Well I'm glad I can still be supreme!Very Happy

now... about that pesky jesus that keeps running around claiming to be my son...

I never had sex with a Hispanic... how can that mary chick say it was mine! lmao
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Post by somedeadidiot Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:36 am

Magick.... BLAME TEH WIKKANSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!(except for Bobb...)
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Post by fuzzy Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:17 am

YAH!! they must be the ones that are making my bangs grow way out long, and get in my eyes! ARGH!
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Post by Oliviar Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:47 pm

Abortion makes total sense. I really have no problems with it, 3rd trimester abortion is disgusting, but it should still be an option, even though very few abortions occur after the 21 week.
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Post by fuzzy Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:24 pm

It should be an option after a second opinion... google that shit... ****ed up.
legally speaking.. I guess they still aren't alive... so .. ****?
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Post by Spishnittlestick Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:48 pm

fuzzy wrote:
somedeadidiot wrote:
fuzzy wrote:omfg... In my opinion, you're an evil person.
In my opinion you're f**cking sexist, and extremely anti woman.
You're probably a right wing conservative. Sure you care about these "things" while they're in the womb but you don't give a shit about them until they turn 18 (military).
You're unwilling to help the childs development, you just want more soldiers!

FURTHERMORE! you're one of the most closed minded... person, I have ever met.

Holy shit, were you talking about me?!?!?!?!

NOOOO, "the darkest rocker"

What's wrong with Darkest Rocker? She has different views, and strong views...that's fine, and in fact, that's what makes this the "Debate Corner"

And btw, Darkest Rocker is, indeed, a she. Therefor I highly doubt that she is anti-woman.

Let people have their own views. You may call them out politely for the sake of argument, but that does not mean that they are wrong by default.

Now if we could please get back to the discussion on hand, That would be much appreciated lol.

Thanks Smile
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Post by fuzzy Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:59 pm

Ok.. imprisoning themselves with lack of options.. ok. Sure.
I call you you out Darkest Rocker, why is abortion so bad?
Surely not because it helps crime rates fall in 20 years?
Not because it can help avoid bankruptcy?
Not because some of the parents that participated in these acts were using the appropriate means to try and prevent it?

eh?
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Post by Darkest Rocker Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:55 am

fuzzy wrote:Ok.. imprisoning themselves with lack of options.. ok. Sure.
I call you you out Darkest Rocker, why is abortion so bad?
Surely not because it helps crime rates fall in 20 years?
Not because it can help avoid bankruptcy?
Not because some of the parents that participated in these acts were using the appropriate means to try and prevent it?

eh?

First of all....I am not sexist or anti-woman
Why? Because I myself am awoman....so obviously I am not "anti-woman"
I am anti-murder
I mean you are entitled to your own specific views on the topic...but to me...whether or not the child is developed fully or not...it is still a living being. Sure it is still in the womb, but it's alive. After a child is conceived, whether or not the child lives or dies should not be the mother's decision.
And if parents really wanted to minimize crime rates and avoid bankruptcy...then they would have been a little more careful with their "extra-curricular" activities. It just makes them irresponsible, and in my opinion selfish. Doesn't matter if they were taking precautions.....obviously they were not doing that great of a job at preventing it.


Women are not forced into pregnancy, they choose to have sex, and are faced with the very real possibility of pregnancy, and when that happens, they have the responsibility to deal with their consequences. Women who seek an abortion cannot even prevent unwanted pregnancies, why should they be able to make the decision if their child lives or dies. They were not responsible enough to prevent it in the first place! SO to give them such a responsibility to decide life or death is a farfetched solution!

Although I am completely against abortion, and personally would never have one, abortion should only be considered if the mother's or child's health is at risk. I kow you ar ethinking "what about rape or incest" but newsflash...the percentage of these types of abortions are among the lowest.



But of course that is only MY opinion. So your hostility is not needed here. Smile
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Post by somedeadidiot Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:08 pm

Oh....where to start...where to start.... I can find so many things wrong with that.

Because I myself am awoman....so obviously I am not "anti-woman"
I'm human, and I'm anti human. I gnikcuf hate humanity and what it's become.

*Fuzzy, please assist with the "anti murder" part.

After a child is conceived, whether or not the child lives or dies should not be the mother's decision.
"I brought you into this world, and I can take you out."

then they would have been a little more careful with their "extra-curricular" activities. It just makes them irresponsible, and in my opinion selfish. Doesn't matter if they were taking precautions.....obviously they were not doing that great of a job at preventing it.

Obviously, they might have tried every protection they could, but there's still a chance that it could happen. And, honestly, it shouldn't make them irresponsible because they're aware of enough that they know that they can't support a child.

Women are not forced into pregnancy, they choose to have sex, and are faced with the very real possibility of pregnancy, and when that happens, they have the responsibility to deal with their consequences.

1. Rape.
2. True.
3. It's not always a consiquence.

Women who seek an abortion cannot even prevent unwanted pregnancies

Rape.

why should they be able to make the decision if their child lives or dies

It's not just up to the potential mother. The potential father sometimes has more say in it.

They were not responsible enough to prevent it in the first place! SO to give them such a responsibility to decide life or death is a farfetched solution!

There ya' go with it again....
Rape.

"what about rape or incest"

How does incest even get mentioned in this?

the percentage of these types of abortions are among the lowest.

Maybe because it doesn't happen none too often? Or maybe because some rape victims disappear or die within 9 months of the comitted crime? Or maybe because some people are too ashamed to tell people it's a rape-victim pregnancy so they just think it's a normal pregnancy?


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Post by Darkest Rocker Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:14 pm

haha I looked forward to it
I like to see how others feel about topics Smile
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Post by Spishnittlestick Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:46 pm

Darkest Rocker wrote:haha I looked forward to it
I like to see how others feel about topics Smile

You're my hero[ine]

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Post by Darkest Rocker Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:52 pm

haha

merci beaucoup Smile
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Post by Spishnittlestick Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:40 pm

de rien Razz

But I'm still pro-abortion Razz
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Post by Darkest Rocker Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:43 pm

oh c'est dommage

haha

nah it is cool

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion Smile
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Post by fuzzy Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:10 am

The majority of abortions are midlife wives, who cannot afford another child, due to money and/or time constraints,

Here we go again... all the pro lifers completely ignore the benefits, and go and say "its murder, its murder!" Killing part of another person isn't murder, I think of it as removing a tumor? Or is that murder too??

Benefits:
Helps economy
Lowers, and prevents crime 20 years later
Assists already strained public ed.
Possibly promotes evolution.(Which is sorely needed)
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Post by Darkest Rocker Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:26 am

fuzzy wrote:The majority of abortions are midlife wives, who cannot afford another child, due to money and/or time constraints,

Here we go again... all the pro lifers completely ignore the benefits, and go and say "its murder, its murder!" Killing part of another person isn't murder, I think of it as removing a tumor? Or is that murder too??

Benefits:
Helps economy
Lowers, and prevents crime 20 years later
Assists already strained public ed.
Possibly promotes evolution.(Which is sorely needed)

Removing a tumor? are you serious...the two are not realted at all.
Exactly my point..if you cannot afford another child....take better precautions...get fixed....take birth control...use protection./ (yes individually these things are not full proof) that is why they should take as many precautions as possible.

The benefits do not out way the realization that it is murder...or manslaughter at the very least.

You keep repeating the same points as "benefits" so obviously there are not so many benefits eh?
Abortion does promote evolution...evolution will not be achieved due to getting rid of unwanted children. If anything..it is a step backwards. We act more like wild animals...killing our young.
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Post by fuzzy Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:30 am

We are animals, animals in the wild kill their offspring if they cannot support them. At least we realize we can't before the birth!

Benefits, are off the top of my head based on previous fact I knew, have not researched more benefits, would you like me to?

How is it murder?
And the Tumor and child have very similar rights. So it does relate.
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fuzzy wrote:We are animals, animals in the wild kill their offspring if they cannot support them. At least we realize we can't before the birth!

Benefits, are off the top of my head based on previous fact I knew, have not researched more benefits, would you like me to?

How is it murder?
And the Tumor and child have very similar rights. So it does relate.

Animals in the wild kill their young because they are animals. We are "animals" with higher intelligence levels than your average beast in the wild...so killing our young....is just silly.

Who cares if you cannot support them! your argument is still failing...because their are ways to prevent an unwanted pregnancy....and if people are not wise enough to take EVERY precaution...then they have to deal with the consequences and not just "getting rid" of their """problem""" Kids should not be viewed as problems. They were not asked to be conceived by irresponsible people.....but they have they right to live after they are.

And no....tumors and children do NOT have similar rights! If you can honestly sit there and call them children...and still not view it as murder you are heartless. (no offense)
Children are alive...they need nutrition from their mothers....they are LIVING organisms. a Tumor...is nothing like an unborn baby.
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Post by fuzzy Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:34 pm

No, it is realistic. Animals do what is nessacary to survive. Humans do what they think their lack of logic, and cloud of emotions tells them to do. Take away the emotions, you'll see it as black and white.

PRECAUTIONS DON'T ALWAYS WORK! nothing is 100%(even getting "fixed" {reference to animals.. HMM!})

Tumors are alive, they need nutrition from their hosts, THEY ARE ALIVE!, a tumor is so much like an unborn fetus. THEY EVEN GROW!
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Post by somedeadidiot Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:14 pm

Darkest Rocker wrote:
fuzzy wrote:We are animals, animals in the wild kill their offspring if they cannot support them. At least we realize we can't before the birth!

Benefits, are off the top of my head based on previous fact I knew, have not researched more benefits, would you like me to?

How is it murder?
And the Tumor and child have very similar rights. So it does relate.

Animals in the wild kill their young because they are animals. We are "animals" with higher intelligence levels than your average beast in the wild...so killing our young....is just silly.

Who cares if you cannot support them! your argument is still failing...because their are ways to prevent an unwanted pregnancy....and if people are not wise enough to take EVERY precaution...then they have to deal with the consequences and not just "getting rid" of their """problem""" Kids should not be viewed as problems. They were not asked to be conceived by irresponsible people.....but they have they right to live after they are.

And no....tumors and children do NOT have similar rights! If you can honestly sit there and call them children...and still not view it as murder you are heartless. (no offense)
Children are alive...they need nutrition from their mothers....they are LIVING organisms. a Tumor...is nothing like an unborn baby.

No. Your arguement is failing.

Think of it as WYR.

Would you rather live poor, with parents who can't afford to get anything for you[and on the streets], or not be born at all?

People are bound to have different views of that, along with other things.
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I agree that people have different views...I am not saying mine is correct, what I am saying is I do not believe in abortion.

And sure growing up poor is not such a glamorous life...but I never said the parents had to keep the child.

I know adoption does not always work....but children given up at birth are more likely to find homes, especially if the parents arrange an adoption before the child is born.



And you can view my argument as failing if you wish.....but the reality is people should be protected when engaging is sexual activities. Like I said....precautions do not always work....but there are options such as becomeing sterilizied. Sure..you can view that as me referring to humans as animals...but it is a lot less animalistic and beastly than killing your young.

A tumor and a child will never even be in the same classification. Atumor is swelling....or a mutation within a group of cells....although all tumors are not malignant.....they are harmful to a person and should be removed, where as a human being is a natural part of nature that is nothing like a mutation. Tumors cannot feel, they do not develope brains....they do not grow into a human being.

We are never going to agree....but that is ok. We are human beings just as an unborn, defenseless baby. Murder is murder...and I do not care if you view me as a close-minded pro-lifer.
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A tumor and a child will never even be in the same classification. Atumor is swelling....or a mutation within a group of cells....although all tumors are not malignant.....they are harmful to a person and should be removed, where as a human being is a natural part of nature that is nothing like a mutation. Tumors cannot feel, they do not develope brains....they do not grow into a human being.

Tumors are natural.
How are you so sure that they can't develope brains?
And how are you so sure that the do not grow into a human being?
Oh, and children can be harmful to a human being and may have to be removed, too.

"They just want live babies so the can send them to be dead soldiers."
"The people against abortion are the ones you wouldn't want to **** in the first place."
"If you're preborn, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're ****ed."
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Post by Darkest Rocker Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:56 pm

somedeadidiot wrote:
A tumor and a child will never even be in the same classification. Atumor is swelling....or a mutation within a group of cells....although all tumors are not malignant.....they are harmful to a person and should be removed, where as a human being is a natural part of nature that is nothing like a mutation. Tumors cannot feel, they do not develope brains....they do not grow into a human being.

Tumors are natural.
How are you so sure that they can't develope brains?
And how are you so sure that the do not grow into a human being?
Oh, and children can be harmful to a human being and may have to be removed, too.

"They just want live babies so the can send them to be dead soldiers."
"The people against abortion are the ones you wouldn't want to **** in the first place."
"If you're preborn, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're ****ed."

I never said tumors were not natural...and that children could not be harmful
But you find a tumor that can grow its own brain and turn into a human being...without a host...then I will shut my mouth.

And your quotes hold no significant value to your argument, except for maybe the first one....and that is it! We only want babies, so we can rack up the dead body count in wars...you have figured it out!

And your second quote..is of course ridiculous...and really has no bearing to your pro-abortion stance.

(Oh.....not being hostile..or at least not trying to be:) You seem like a cool dude...just with different views than me, which is cool )
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Post by somedeadidiot Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:05 pm

Razz Blame Carlin for the quotes.
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Post by Darkest Rocker Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:10 pm

Haha

I should have known

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