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Abortion
Ok.. I agree late term abortion is screwed up. But earlier abortion should not be tampered with. I feel that making laws controlling when a woman has a child is extremely sexist, since most of the lawmakers are men. And... it seems like men are trying to oppress women.
Furthermore, if the Pro-lifers would widen their field of view to look at the whooole picture. You would see that abortion is good.
Fact: Most women who have an abortion are NOT teenagers, they are middleaged and cannot support another child.
Fact: 20 years after abortion was legalized, this country experienced a sharp decrease in crime, especially the violent ones. Mainly because the aborted babies, would not have received enough loving attention, care, ect to grow into a respectable member of our society. Not that it is their fault that this would have happened, but by aborting it. The mother saved the potential child from years of suffering, possibly prison, possibly gang activity. ect.
Yes adoption is great, but please don't go on PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION tangents, because unlike Juno you cannot find a couple ready to take on in, inside "The Penny-Saver" (Thanks to my GF for making me watch that movie... too many times.)
Furthermore, if the Pro-lifers would widen their field of view to look at the whooole picture. You would see that abortion is good.
Fact: Most women who have an abortion are NOT teenagers, they are middleaged and cannot support another child.
Fact: 20 years after abortion was legalized, this country experienced a sharp decrease in crime, especially the violent ones. Mainly because the aborted babies, would not have received enough loving attention, care, ect to grow into a respectable member of our society. Not that it is their fault that this would have happened, but by aborting it. The mother saved the potential child from years of suffering, possibly prison, possibly gang activity. ect.
Yes adoption is great, but please don't go on PUT IT UP FOR ADOPTION tangents, because unlike Juno you cannot find a couple ready to take on in, inside "The Penny-Saver" (Thanks to my GF for making me watch that movie... too many times.)
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lol, I'm pro-abortion after getting a good serving of Biology. It's just stupid. We're not taking lives. Think about it. A female ovulates every month. There's a constant strings of murders right there if that's what you're going for. Don't even get me started with males, lol. How many millions of sex cells die each day?
If you want to go further, even by stopping abortion, you would be destroying way more lives. First of all, you're going to have a kid that no one wants. It's also likely that it can not be supported. Let's not forget Mommy and Daddy. The last thing they need is for a resource-sucking child when they probably can't take care of themselves to begin with. There's three lives right there, even more if there are other siblings.
Abortion should be choice.
But late term is iffy, if you're going to make your choice, make it early on.
If you want to go further, even by stopping abortion, you would be destroying way more lives. First of all, you're going to have a kid that no one wants. It's also likely that it can not be supported. Let's not forget Mommy and Daddy. The last thing they need is for a resource-sucking child when they probably can't take care of themselves to begin with. There's three lives right there, even more if there are other siblings.
Abortion should be choice.
But late term is iffy, if you're going to make your choice, make it early on.
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"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to f**** in the first place? There’s such balance in nature."
"Once you leave the womb, conservatives don’t care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."
"Once you leave the womb, conservatives don’t care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."
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somedeadidiot wrote:"Have you noticed that most of the women who are against abortion are women you wouldn’t want to f**** in the first place? There’s such balance in nature."
"Once you leave the womb, conservatives don’t care about you until you reach military age. Then you’re just what they’re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."
Damn, that was such a badass statement, WATCHOUT BUSH IS GOING TO GET YOU!!
hahahhaha.
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I don't think abortion is OK. It is killing a baby! A living, breathing, thinking child. Even if they are not born yet they still are alive. They think just like we do, maybe not with the knowledge that we have, but they are still alive!
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I think the practice is horrible, but I think it is justified at times, I think that Crack moms who did crack the entire time of the pregnancy would have babies that would have their heart on the outside of the body, sometimes it needs to happen, but the practice itself is horrible
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Yes I can agree with that. I suppose if a baby is just going to have a terrible life or die soon after birth then yeah I guess it could be OK but like you said, the practice itself is horrible.
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Bah, at the rate humans are multiplying, the Earth's mass will soon be equal to the mass of the human race. After that, I have a feeling that we may just fall out of orbit....Who knows what'll happen then?
Re: Abortion
dolphingirl wrote:I don't think abortion is OK. It is killing a baby! A living, breathing, thinking child. Even if they are not born yet they still are alive. They think just like we do, maybe not with the knowledge that we have, but they are still alive!
Technically... its not breathing... and by a legal definition its not living yet. And whatever thought it may have, is not intelligent thought because the brain hasn't matured enough.
And you're failing to look at the WHOLE PICTURE. Read my first post to get some more facts.
abortion is good. And the HOLY BIBLE supports it. If god says it alright, then it has to be good!!
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lmao. If we legalized abortion during any trimester, even if it were a week before she was due, we'd be pulling limbs from a living breathing pain perceiving baby. I do NOT support that. If it is before the second trimester, I say it is ok.
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Re: Abortion
VioletVenom wrote:lmao. If we legalized abortion during any trimester, even if it were a week before she was due, we'd be pulling limbs from a living breathing pain perceiving baby. I do NOT support that. If it is before the second trimester, I say it is ok.
Because humans are fish from 2nd trimester on.... XD
But yeah, I'm pro choice. One of my few liberal views.
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Re: Abortion
Wow there are some very controversial topics in this forum.
Nothing anyone says will ever convince me that abortion should be legal. It does not matter how far along the development of the "fetus" (a term that people use to justify their views to make abortion sound less immoral) is, abortion is murder. I do not really care of the circumstance, yes adoption is not always a viable solution, but there are plenty of infertile couples who would like children, and then we have crackheads who have numerous (not just one) abortions during their lifetimes. Why should the children be killed? It doesnt seem right that it is a legal option for lowlifes to continuously murder their children. I know not every woman who has an abortion is a lowlife, but the population of women who are is too large. I do not think that all abortion should be illegal...but you better have a damn good reason for needing an abortion....like you have a high probability of dying during your pregnancy.
And in response to middle-aged couples who cannot afford to have another baby....they should get fixed...or take the pill...or how about discontinue sex until they are able to handle the consequences of their actions.
Rape victims are traumatized....sure...but you don't think that them having an abortion is traumatic either? Of course it is. They will have to live with the fact that they were raped...and then also live with the fact that they killed their own baby.
I know everyone is entitled to feel howeve they wish, but there is just nothing anyone can say to me that will make me believe abortion is a moral option. As soon as an egg is fertalized and a living being begins the stages of developement....the termination is murder...whether the baby was fully developed or not.
Other than rape vicims....if you do not want a child...take precautions or do not have sex, because you are obviously not mature enough to anyways.
Nothing anyone says will ever convince me that abortion should be legal. It does not matter how far along the development of the "fetus" (a term that people use to justify their views to make abortion sound less immoral) is, abortion is murder. I do not really care of the circumstance, yes adoption is not always a viable solution, but there are plenty of infertile couples who would like children, and then we have crackheads who have numerous (not just one) abortions during their lifetimes. Why should the children be killed? It doesnt seem right that it is a legal option for lowlifes to continuously murder their children. I know not every woman who has an abortion is a lowlife, but the population of women who are is too large. I do not think that all abortion should be illegal...but you better have a damn good reason for needing an abortion....like you have a high probability of dying during your pregnancy.
And in response to middle-aged couples who cannot afford to have another baby....they should get fixed...or take the pill...or how about discontinue sex until they are able to handle the consequences of their actions.
Rape victims are traumatized....sure...but you don't think that them having an abortion is traumatic either? Of course it is. They will have to live with the fact that they were raped...and then also live with the fact that they killed their own baby.
I know everyone is entitled to feel howeve they wish, but there is just nothing anyone can say to me that will make me believe abortion is a moral option. As soon as an egg is fertalized and a living being begins the stages of developement....the termination is murder...whether the baby was fully developed or not.
Other than rape vicims....if you do not want a child...take precautions or do not have sex, because you are obviously not mature enough to anyways.
Re: Abortion
I'm just going to say that abortion to me is wrong and that's all.
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Re: Abortion
Darkest Rocker wrote:Wow there are some very controversial topics in this forum.
Nothing anyone says will ever convince me that abortion should be legal. It does not matter how far along the development of the "fetus" (a term that people use to justify their views to make abortion sound less immoral) is, abortion is murder. I do not really care of the circumstance, yes adoption is not always a viable solution, but there are plenty of infertile couples who would like children, and then we have crackheads who have numerous (not just one) abortions during their lifetimes. Why should the children be killed? It doesnt seem right that it is a legal option for lowlifes to continuously murder their children. I know not every woman who has an abortion is a lowlife, but the population of women who are is too large. I do not think that all abortion should be illegal...but you better have a damn good reason for needing an abortion....like you have a high probability of dying during your pregnancy.
And in response to middle-aged couples who cannot afford to have another baby....they should get fixed...or take the pill...or how about discontinue sex until they are able to handle the consequences of their actions.
Rape victims are traumatized....sure...but you don't think that them having an abortion is traumatic either? Of course it is. They will have to live with the fact that they were raped...and then also live with the fact that they killed their own baby.
I know everyone is entitled to feel howeve they wish, but there is just nothing anyone can say to me that will make me believe abortion is a moral option. As soon as an egg is fertalized and a living being begins the stages of developement....the termination is murder...whether the baby was fully developed or not.
Other than rape vicims....if you do not want a child...take precautions or do not have sex, because you are obviously not mature enough to anyways.
Wow, change your mind, much?
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Nothing anyone says will ever convince me that abortion should be legal
I do not really care of the circumstance
I do not think that all abortion should be illegal
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They're not children. Yet. And, according to what I've heard and understood, murder only counts towards living humans. And, also according to what I've heard and understood, a human is not counted as a living human untill birth.children be killed? It doesnt seem right that it is a legal option for lowlifes to continuously murder their children
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What about those girls who get pregnant during highschool and realize that they can't handle school AND a baby? Not everyone can find a family to adopt a new-born baby, and not everyone can handle giving away their first-born.but you better have a damn good reason for needing an abortion....like you have a high probability of dying during your pregnancy
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What's worse? Getting raped and aborting the baby, or getting raped, not aborting the baby, and knowing that your first-born is unwanted, and the father is probably unknown? Let alone trying to explain to the poor child who the father is and why the father isn't there to raise him. Eventually the kid's going to find out, and you may not like the results.They will have to live with the fact that they were raped...and then also live with the fact that they killed their own baby.
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That doesn't always work.take precautions
Re: Abortion
omfg... In my opinion, you're an evil person.
In my opinion you're f**cking sexist, and extremely anti woman.
You're probably a right wing conservative. Sure you care about these "things" while they're in the womb but you don't give a shit about them until they turn 18 (military).
You're unwilling to help the childs development, you just want more soldiers!
FURTHERMORE! you're one of the most closed minded... person, I have ever met.
In my opinion you're f**cking sexist, and extremely anti woman.
You're probably a right wing conservative. Sure you care about these "things" while they're in the womb but you don't give a shit about them until they turn 18 (military).
You're unwilling to help the childs development, you just want more soldiers!
FURTHERMORE! you're one of the most closed minded... person, I have ever met.
Re: Abortion
fuzzy wrote:omfg... In my opinion, you're an evil person.
In my opinion you're f**cking sexist, and extremely anti woman.
You're probably a right wing conservative. Sure you care about these "things" while they're in the womb but you don't give a shit about them until they turn 18 (military).
You're unwilling to help the childs development, you just want more soldiers!
FURTHERMORE! you're one of the most closed minded... person, I have ever met.
Holy shit, were you talking about me?!?!?!?!
Re: Abortion
haha, come on, Fuzzy, we need to play well with others!
Everyone count to ten, mkay? This is controversial, sure, but the idea is to become more open to accepting new views, not slamming everyone else for being 'wrong'.
Come in with a strong opinion, but an open and accepting mind
/motivational speech
Everyone count to ten, mkay? This is controversial, sure, but the idea is to become more open to accepting new views, not slamming everyone else for being 'wrong'.
Come in with a strong opinion, but an open and accepting mind
/motivational speech
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somedeadidiot wrote:fuzzy wrote:omfg... In my opinion, you're an evil person.
In my opinion you're f**cking sexist, and extremely anti woman.
You're probably a right wing conservative. Sure you care about these "things" while they're in the womb but you don't give a shit about them until they turn 18 (military).
You're unwilling to help the childs development, you just want more soldiers!
FURTHERMORE! you're one of the most closed minded... person, I have ever met.
Holy shit, were you talking about me?!?!?!?!
NOOOO, "the darkest rocker"
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